Comments on: IR35: Current market and Contracting vs Permanent employment https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/ Company Investing, Tax and Financial Independence Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:16:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: Mariano https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2405 Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:16:45 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2405 HMRC needs money. Last decades of cuts haven’t been great and they know they need to cash in somehow. Their approach is closer to ‘Shut up and pay me’, rather than ‘Let’s see your situation and assess it respectively’.

Now that the rant is over, I do believe the contracting world won’t disappear. The main reason is that flexible workforce provides the option to deliver things faster and innovate on certain aspect of a service. Investors want to still be making a lot of money and unless they deliver some value, they won’t be making the profit they were promised.
Investing won’t stop as there are many investors sitting on a pile of money willing to do something with it.

It’s a matter of time for companies to catch up and for the IR35 legislation becoming more clear, before contracting comes back again. Probably not as it is now, but certainly something similar.

What I’m most intrigued now is how a more rigid workforce, a change in trade of goods and other resources due to Brexit next year and a most likely recession, will be hitting companies and people. It does feel that this is not the time to be rocking the boat while you’re about to enter one big hell of a storm.

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By: Michael https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2385 Mon, 02 Mar 2020 20:24:39 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2385 In reply to weenie.

Thanks for the explanation Weenie, that’s very useful!

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By: weenie https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2374 Sun, 01 Mar 2020 11:01:51 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2374 In reply to Michael.

AWR is applied in practice. In essence, agency workers are contractors who work on temporary contracts via agencies, usually recruitment agencies. They will be on PAYE.

The regulations ensure that agency workers have certain rights.

After 12 weeks, their pay/package will be compared to that of an employee doing the same job as a permanent and if they are on comparatively less, their pay will be adjusted respectively. They will at this point also enjoy auto-pension enrolment, paid annual leave.

There’s obviously a lot more to this than what I’ve outlined, some more info here if you’re interested: https://www.gov.uk/agency-workers-your-rights/your-rights-as-a-temporary-agency-worker

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By: Michael https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2366 Sat, 29 Feb 2020 11:10:28 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2366 In reply to weenie.

Thanks, Weenie. You probably know the current state better than anyone then. I plan to write more about all things numbers and the economic impact of IR35, comparisons vs perm – considering different tax strategies an Outside IR35 contractor can employ etc.

I am not aware of the Agency Workers Regulations either! Do you mind explaining whether they’re applied in practice?

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By: Ravi https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2353 Thu, 27 Feb 2020 14:57:22 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2353 Michael, Interesting article.

Currently there is lot of confusion regarding IR35, hopefully there will be much clarity once we cross the line.

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By: Dave https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2350 Wed, 26 Feb 2020 21:52:46 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2350 In reply to Simon T.

I guess you are right Simon. I will look around for consultancy job as my next role.

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By: weenie https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2349 Wed, 26 Feb 2020 11:16:37 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2349 Interesting to read this, Michael – I’m in the recruitment industry and some of our clients have gone down the blanket route of all contractors being inside IR35, whereas others have employed the likes of QDos to review contracts, determining that they are outside. So we have a mixture of unhappy and happy contractors right now!

I attended a couple of IR35 seminars run by HMRC recently – my view was that they care very little of the mess this is causing, they only care for the extra tax they believe they are owed, whoever pays it.

Looking forward to reading more posts – I’m guessing that you will mention AWR (Agency Workers Regulations), which many contractors are not aware of?

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By: Simon T https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2343 Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:52:28 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2343 In reply to Dave.

That’s why I work for a consultancy, although truth be said I have been at the same client for 6 years. Although I have been through multiple technologies at that client over that time

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By: Michael https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2342 Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:00:49 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2342 In reply to Simon T.

Indeed, Simon, the difference is not so big when you factor in everything. Having said that, I think contractors, myself included, don’t really go for the full package once left on their own.

Things private insurance, life assurance, training etc that are provided by default when you’re perm, are not always considered. But for an apples-to-apples comparison, one needs to factor in everything.

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By: Michael https://www.foxymonkey.com/ir35-contract-market/#comment-2341 Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:36:58 +0000 https://www.foxymonkey.com/?p=6887#comment-2341 In reply to Mara.

Qdos, that’s very interesting, thanks for sharing Mara. I hope you find a new contract soon… From what I hear the market is very dry but may change after April.

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